Kingsley

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What's up, guys? My name is Kingsley. I am an indie pop artist. And this is an episode of concerts that made us

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welcome to the podcast Conscious, that made us interview stories Hato's from the bus. We love taking you back when it all went down, the greatest live shows and the cheery crowd sound it's contest Compton that made us compositematus.com. On this episode, I'm joined by indie pop star Kingsley. We chat about her music, her career, her amazing line of march and much, much more. This is such a fun conversation. I know you're going to love it. So without further ado, let's get on with the show.

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Seconds baby take it through you what the thought do you do to me? Don't tell me I loved you now

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all be crazy catch I'm crazy lost myself in my mind please chase me told me guess I'm easy me can't see all the pain won't you cross me? Hold the next bitch hold the next bitch OOH what you like you did to me

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kingsley, you're very welcome to concerts that made us. Thank you for having me. It's brilliant to have you. I'm delighted to have you. And I've been listening to your music quite a bit and I absolutely love us. We opened the show with Therapy. Would you like to tell us a bit about us? Yeah, therapy is such a near and dear song to my heart. Obviously, I wrote it when I was in therapy, naturally. And it was really like this anger reflection song of this guy literally making me go to therapy to fix our relationship. It turns out I had to fix a lot of things about myself. But that is irrelevant. Going to therapy originally because he made me feel crazy. And it is such a heartfelt song and it's just so emotional. And literally the opening line is, damn, I need some fucking therapy, like, period. We all can relate to that. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. It's from your debut album, which released at the end of 2021, crying on the Holidays. What was that process like? It must have been very exciting. Yeah, well, recording it in 2020 was a little crazy, but we've figured it out. We worked it out. It really crying on Holidays takes you from start to finish of my very first heartbreak. And so the album is meant to listen in order. It's not meant to skip. And while I was writing it, I didn't know what songs were going to make it on the album. I didn't know what the album was going to be called. I was just writing about what was happening in real time because that's the way that I process things as a natural songwriter. My mom called it Taylor Swifting it up, man. And so when this idea came together to release Crying on Holidays, because every holiday, this boy and I would fight about whatever and I would be crying. The idea of walking it through. My first heartbreak truly came from me trying to understand what I went through. I'd never been in love. I didn't believe in love. And I fell in love and I got my heart broken. And I'm like, what is wrong with the world? So, yeah, it's an incredible project that is near and dear to my heart. It must have been almost like therapy itself, putting so much of your own story into the songs. It must been like a massive relief almost. Now it is. Now I listen back and I'm like, oh, my God, you should have broke up with him long ago. I just kept writing more songs like What's Happening? But now, in hindsight, I'm very thankful that I had the ability to process it in a moat in a way that felt good for me and wasn't destructive. And now other people can can maybe process and feel things that they don't have actual words for. In my song, I Got You and what are you going to do if you have no more heartbreak? So my next project is not written about a person. It's literally this, like, fun, sexy, flirtatious. It's like the next side. And I totally stole it from Dua Lipa. She did an interview with the Rolling Stones and she was talking about her project actually wasn't about a person, it was about her manifesting this person and when she finished the project, it works. So I'm waiting to see if that happens. For me, I don't want to know. But yeah, I don't think I want to write about heartbreak anymore at the moment. I just want to feel good and love. Love. Exactly. Put that energy out into the world and not to come back. So you're based in Portland. What's the music scene like in Portland? Is this full of competition? If I say yes, they'll call me humble. No, there's not a lot of talk. And if you like to talk as much as I do and smile and your social, you'll do really well. So I had such a humble experience. I actually moved out of Portland a week ago because I'm moving to London. I'm in Chicago right now, staying at my parents house. And in the six years of time I had this incredible experience, I got to open up for people that I don't think I ever would have gotten a chance to open up for in Chicago. Because Chicago is such a big city, I've gotten to play random festivals that I'm like, why am I here? Not why my ear. But, oh, my gosh, you know, you got to work a little bit harder, I thought, and really incubate and curate who I am as an artist. And with a forgiving crowd, you can make so many mistakes on Portland stage and they love you even harder. So I got to try out a lot of things with my stage presence, with my banter, my top came off at one of the shows, I didn't feel embarrassed, I just broke. And that's what happens. And my titties are out and like, yeah, I had such an incredible and a unique experience, and I'm really thankful. Some way, somehow, I ended up in Portland and got to push off and be kingly. Yeah, it sounds like a great place to start. Anyway, now I love diving into my guests history and find out how they got where they are. But before we do that, I noticed your march game is on point. I don't think there's anybody that has march like you. Can you tell us a bit about it? I'm so crazy and I don't know where these ideas come from. I went to school for business, but I don't know, it's just like, this is just who I am. 2020 was such a crazy year of reflecting on what I was and who I was without a stage and how I connect with people without a stage. And so when Crying on Holidays was coming out, I ended up meeting up with a local blackowned makeup company and she was like, I'll make you one lipstick for your album so when it comes out, you can help promote my makeup line and your album. Well, that turned into three different lipsticks that were embodied as three different singles that went out. So each single had a lipstick. And then when my album came out, we kept growing the collection. And some of the new products are named for future songs that are coming out. So it's not even like a lipstick line. Like Selena Gomez and Brianna, they have a makeup line, right. This makeup line specifically embodies my music. So when you put on this lipstick, it's supposed to feel and sound like this song, right? Yeah. And then for the marketing part of it, like the music videos, I got to have the lipsticks as cameos in there. So it was just like another level. And then the recipe book that I have for Crying on Holidays, the book is called Drinking on Holidays. That originally came from my Kickstarter. So when I had my Kickstarter in February of 2020, before the world shut down, we were going to do one of the tiers as a listening party where me and my producer would, like, share cocktails and drink and listen to the album because we do that together. So we were like, we should do it with a crowd, like a listening party. So when Covan happened and we couldn't have the listening party, I'm like, I still want to do that, but how could I do it? So I made this recipe book where each song on my album pairs with a cocktail that I believe the song sounds like feels like drinks. Like when you're drunk listening to therapy, you should have an audio motherfucker. And that turned into such a crazy experience that I even got to write in the recipe book. My favorite song lyric, fun facts about it. And then that spun into interviewing, doing a podcast with the book, where each episode I would drink the drink and listen to the song and get to work with my friend. It was just awesome. I've just had such a crazy experience. And from there, we just got even crazier with, like, shot glasses. I love to drink. Yeah. I'm just humbled and honored. And this next project, Merch, is going to be even cooler and even filter. And I just love it. There's so many ways to connect people to your music outside of just being on the stage. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. That's crazy, though. That's really tinking outside the box. Like, who comes up with the idea of, like, a recipe book linked to an album? Fair plenty of coming up with the idea. Oh, man. So I mentioned a few minutes ago, we'll dive into your history a bit. Can you remember your very first musical memory? Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing. And I've only said this once in an interview, so this is really hilarious. I had a crush on this guy, Alex Jado in kindergarten, and I remember writing a song and I remember the lyrics. It was like Alex Jado just like plato, because his skin was like this platoey color. Oh, how I can't hide my feelings inside I specifically remember singing it in my head, thinking, like, if I sing this to him, I'll win him over again with it. I never did it, but that's like, my first experience that I have with myself of feeling something and making something from it. And from that point on, if nothing made sense, I really just put it in a song. That's amazing, though, that at that age you were able to actually come up with lyrics like that and just the thought process of putting it into a song. Yeah. You haven't lost us oh, yeah a couple of days ago, I was unpacking my stuff and I found my songbook from 2017. And I'm like, going through it drunk with my mom. And I'm like, what I notice about myself is I could never spell, could never do it. But these are some good words and that has not changed since kindergarten. Now and growing up then, was it a very musical house you lived in which draws music around? Yeah. Oh, yeah. My dad is pretty much my intro into music. I grew up listening to Chicago house music, not this Swedish house mafia that you guys hear, like, Chicago house music. And my mom sang in the choir. My grandma is very famous in the gospel Chicago scene and very much a musical family, but not a musical family. And I like, let's make a career out of this. A musical family. And, like, you can sing in church and you can sing in the choirs, and this is a cute hobby. I was like, no, we're doing this, 100% of our we're going to figure it out because this is it. I don't want to do anything else. And I think now my parents are like, oh, I guess she's really serious about it. I went to college to do this, nothing else. I take it they're very supportive of your choice to go into the music business. Yeah. My mom buys my album on Bandcamp, like, my singles on Bandcamp. She pays $5, everything that comes out. My mom is on Bandcamp the day that it is released, and she will pay $5 for it. And I'm like, I could literally just send it to you. Literally. Oh, that's totally yeah, it warms my heart. She has all my lipsticks. She doesn't wear lipstick that much, but she has a whole collection. Number one fan right there. Number one, yes. So at what point then did you realize or what happened that made you realize you want to be a singer, that that's the way you want your life to go? Yeah. I feel like I did a talent show, I want to say third or fourth grade. Alicia Key is I saying if I got you and I did not win, I didn't even get second. But I remember feeling like the at home, on the stage at home, like, it just felt right. It's kind of like the surfer, when they described being inside of the two tunnel, like, you have to do it for yourself kind of feeling. It really was that. And I've been chasing that feeling ever since. And now it's changed. It doesn't always need to be on the stage. Now I have moments like this that really make me feel at home, where I get to just share my experience by my experience, my story, and it feels just like the stage. So it really was from that moment of just singing terribly and being like, how can I always feel like this? This feels really good. How can I always feel like this? Yeah. Chasing that feel. Yeah, I hear that a lot, actually. It's like that thing of when you get on stage for the first time, the addiction to it, and you just want to feel that constantly. It's hard to kind of find anything close to it. Then, obviously, after school and everything, what steps did you take to make your dream a reality? Oh, my gosh. Maybe it was fear, and maybe it was logic, and I have no idea. When I moved to Portland, I was like, I have to get a job at a venue. Like, I have to start working in a venue to get involved in the scene. Luckily for me, with my genesis flaw, I got a job literally a week after I moved there as a paid intern at a music venue. And I ended up being there for six years, literally. Last week on Friday was my last day as their head of marketing, and I had just the most incredible experience and I moved part time and then I was remote, but I've always worked for them as I moved more into Kingsley. But just being there for the first year while I worked on my album, it was so incredible. I got to have conversations with tour managers and artists and I pray she remembers me when we meet again. But I sat with Emily King after her show because I was the artist liaison that night for her. And she just gave me some really heartfelt things. And I got to work with Miguel's tour manager, and he literally said to me, if I see you working here next year, you're going to be in trouble. You should be doing your music. And like, these moments that I really got to be kicked in the butt into my craft. And I'm so thankful of all the knowledge that I got to learn. I'm telling people dead ass, work at a venue if you can. Like, work at a record label if you can. Do not stay long because they won't see you as an artist, especially if you're good at what you do. They'll keep you forever, but like, work underneath the nose and really see things for what they really are because the music industry is smoke and mirror. You have to be like, that's not right. Yes, you're right about that. Anyway. And I always ask as a concert gore, what concerts do you think have made you man? I saw the Jonas Brothers and I cried my eyes out. I was 24. It was a couple of years ago. And it wasn't just because of the nostalgia. I think it was more or less like I had known their story and how hard it is to work to get where they were. And I was so overwhelmed with joy and inspiration to work even harder, but I was just brought to tears and I was like, this is so incredible. This truly shows. Like, it is a long haul journey and if you want to be a part of this process, you've got to be a part of the process 100%. So, yeah, the Jonas brothers. When I tell people that I got to see Erica BHU, that was a really I was backstage perks of working in the music industry. I got to be backstage. And she walked past me when she goes on stage and I just breathe in her air and I'm just like, this is so incredible. To be a person of your musical talent and just to be idolized just because you love what you do and you do it, what an honor, you know? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So erica vadu the Jonas brothers. Let me think of a third one that really changed my life. Electric Forrest is a music festival in Michigan. It's this huge 50,000 people in a forest. It's a camping festival. And it wasn't per se anyone I saw, but I was on Asset Naturally, and I was talking to an elephant naturally. And the elephant literally said to me, and this is right when I was like, 21, 22. If you go to another festival, you will never do your dream, because festivals are expensive. It's like, you fly there, you drive it's. $1,000, you got camp. I think I spent, like, $3,000 in a weekend. But this elephant was like, how serious are you about your music? This is beautiful. This is fun. What side do you want to be on? And, yeah, I was like, this is a crazy asset trip. And when I get back to town, I need to start working on my album. Yeah, definitely. Thank God for the elephant. You and then my friend's, like, tighten up. You're literally talking to a tree. And I'm like, oh, yeah,

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you have to do something where you mentioned that in a song or something. Where I have a song entitled The Elephant in the Forest. Actually, that's a really great idea. I'm going to write that down because one of my songs isn't done, and I know exactly where that would go. Yes. No more bad days. Elephant trip. Yes. Look at this. I have to credit you and my song. Credit. Okay, so we've heard about you as a concert gore. Now we'll switch it around of your own gigs. What one do you think have made you? Yeah, I think my shirt coming off was hilarious, and it was for Portland. Voted Best Bands 2022. And I was voted in the Best Bands with ten other really awesome Portland musicians. And for the showcase, it was just six of us, and my shirt broke before I got on stage, and we, like, pinned it. And I joked to my backstage singer, I'm like, wouldn't it be hilarious if my shirt broke on stage? And I was like, Nah, it's not going to do that. And so when my shirt breaks and my tickets are out, I'm just standing there, and this girl in the crowd is like, your nipple pad is slipping. So I just ripped my nipple pad off and throw it to the crowd. And I'm standing there and I'm like, I don't get embarrassed. This is a human experience. Like, you've already paid your money, so if you want to leave, I'm getting paid the same. And it's about the music, so I don't really care. I could be naked singing or not. And I jumped into the crowd. Literally, a bunch of girls took their shirts off. It was a blast. And it was a moment that I was like, if I set the attunement for expectations, the audience has no choice to follow. So if I'm unconfident in myself, the audience will be unconfident in their selves. If I embody love and positivity, the audience will embody love and positivity. And I try to do that every set, but in that moment, I was like, I really have the crowd in my hand. So what do I want to do with this energy? What do I want to bring? I love that, though. It's all back to that, the constant exchange and energy with the crowd. I feel like to be successful as a performer on stage, you have to master that part of exchanging the energy and having them, as you said, in the palm of your hand. But, jeez, some people, if that happened to their career, would be over to just fall to pieces. Luckily for me, my titties have been on the internet since Instagram has been an app, so I was like, Guys, these are special. And if you haven't seen Meg the Stallions ask, you are missing out on so much life. We're going to get over it, we're going to be just fine. I'd normally ask, what's the what's the worst experience you've had at a gig and how you overcame it? But I don't think there's a need for that question. I don't think I've ever had a bad experience. I mean, I've choked on stuff and, like, laughed because I'm, like, choking because hilarious. Why am I choking on spit right now? And I'm trying to sing. I just don't get embarrassed because I think it's just hilarious that you're an artist. Hoodie Allen, he went to flip his microphone and it hit him in the face and he was like, just kept going. And I'm like, that's hilarious, because what are the odds? Exactly. And we'll jump back a bit. Now, when the pandemic happened, how did you face that? It must've been a very tough time, not being able to perform relief. How did you deal with us and get through? While the pandemic was a pretty rough go for everyone, I am humbled by the experience. I knew I wasn't going to come out physically strong because I hate the gym, but I came out mentally so much better than what I ever could have imagined. And I posed the question to myself, if I'm not on stage getting validation from other people, what actually brings me joy in life? And that's a really hard question for myself. Music brings me so much joy, one might say it determines my joy. And so when it was taken away, it was a real big step back for me and I just reevaluated things. I did so much shadow work with my childhood self, with my teenage self. I tackled my depression, I tackled some anxiety. I just really kind of sat and I was like, I need to get back to basics. And so Kingsley's my stage name and Mows my government name. And most of the time when I was performing before COVID. I was really putting a mask and a character on to the point where when I got offstage and I was home being Mo. I would be empty because that's not who I really was as a person. Which is so disappointing that like. I can embody this confident. Bold. Doesn't give a fuck person. But I'm eating away with anxiety. And so when COVID happened, and it was probably April after my 28th birthday, I kind of was just like, you know what? I don't know how long this is going to be. So it is now or never to really make Mo be Kingsley and Kingsley be Mo. And I am so thankful for a moment of slowed down time. The earth literally stopped. And I'm so thankful for that because where I was headed to could not quit. I mean, really could not be. And now going on stage feels so much more authentic. The connections feel so much more authentic because I'm not pretending to be this thing and jealous of it when I got off stage. Yeah, I got you. You kind of reminded me of a story I once heard about Beyonce. Do you ever hear about she has an alter ego? Yeah, you remind me of that. There's a lot of artists that actually have alter egos like that. I think Lady Gaga and someone else have one as well. Yeah, and openly talk about how there's so much separation for this. And even the guy who played Elmo, he has a documentary how he didn't know if people loved him for him or him because he was Elmo. And what a turbulence you have in life. What is real? Is it your gift? Do people just like you for this gift? So, yeah, it's such a balance and a struggle with arts and it's so much deeper than just like, writing about your heartbreak. And I'm really thankful for COVID to let me stop with myself and build a healthier relationship with my art and who I truly am. I heard it referred to once as the great recess period. I love that. And we're starting over here. Yeah, exactly. Your first gig then postcode must have been like a massive celebration. What was it like? What was my first gig? You don't even know. I don't even know what my first gig was. That's how much I was like, get me out of this house. We did a sold out show and it was insane. And I was overstimulated for the first time. I'm a socialite, I love being around people. People help me recharge. And when we get off stage, so many people were talking at me, I was like, I have to go upstairs for 2 seconds. Overstimulated by people. So it was really awesome. I think it was like 250, like a sold out. And I was like, what happened to ten people? Good conversations and I can't do 250. That would be pushing it a bit harder. And when you're playing gigs, then, do you prefer large numbers in the audience or are you more sort of you enjoy the smaller, more intimate clubs? I prefer smaller and more intimate just because my music has so much to it. It kind of goes over people's heads when I do like, my papa. I love doing my DJ set, I love playing the backing tracks, but I love when I can strip it down in a room full of 50 and really let you hear what was happening in the songs. I get that. Plus, it's always better to be able to see the people's faces, see the emotion, see that you're actually getting true to them. Yeah. And it's less people, less talking about if someone's in the back talking, you could probably actually see their face and call them out. I've done it before. I'm like, I don't care, just like, leave the room. You don't have to stop your conversation because of me. Don't do it. Probably important since you're talking. Yeah. Oh, man. I bet your gigs are like, one of the most fun times. I've jumped over a beer crate into the crowd and my bandmates, they are so stressed because they're like, you never know what you're going to do. And I'm like, me either. That's the art of performing. I black out, I get on stage and I'm like, what happened? How did we do

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this? Next one is a bit of a tough one. What factors do you think go into making a successful persona, successful career as a musician, as a performer? Authenticity. And it's not in a way of like, beer muscle, it's what are you? What do you want your fan base to look like and why? So the most authentic fans bring the most joy to a show and so to have this amazing persona, don't be the thing people want you to be, just be you so that that can surround you. If there was a room full of 50 kinklees, you would love it. Right. Crazy. So, yeah, teaching yourself not to be anything but yourself and if you like yourself enough and you're a good person, you want that reflected in the room. Yeah, definitely. I always feel like, as well, if you're pretending to be something you're not, eventually the mask will slip. Oh, yeah. Or you just keep changing to try to be the things that people want. And if I wrote the song, I get to say how I feel about it. If you wrote the song, then you can do that, but you didn't write it. This is what it's going to be. And you must have a roadmap laid out in front of you for your career. Where would you like to see your career goal? Like, my end. Oh, my God. As famous as Beyonce. And I love saying that. And people are like, Beyonce. Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. I said what I meant and I mean what I say. I've always wanted to be a pop star. I've called myself indie pop artists for the last few years, but I still say I'm a pop star. I'm a pop star. I'm a pop star. I really love. The idea of inspiring the masses with what tools that I have in life. And they're changing and they're growing and they're changing, and in that reality, that should collect more people. Definitely. That's a great answer, actually. And great that you can actually say Beyonce instead, I want to be here and I want to no, you're just straight out, I want to be Beyonce. That's okay. I like when people ask the question, like, why do you do music? And people are like, Just because I love her. Because I want to be famous. Why else would I do this? I have student loan debt. I could work anywhere in the world. I want to be famous. Exactly. And before we move on to the last couple of questions, then, what is locked in future plans? What's going on with Kingsley? Yeah, I'm moving to London on September 12, and I just finished demoing out my next project. I'm not calling it an album because it's nine songs right now and I don't know if I want to make another album. I think it might be an et and it's called Come Find Me. And it's just this next chapter after you get your heart broken and you realize, actually, I am a babbage. I don't know why I'm crying over this way with holes in his underwear. Like, what am I doing? So it's just about enjoying life, love and passion and being single and being flirty. I'm very excited for it. And even just like the video concepts that I'm working on, the merch concepts that I'm working on, it's just to another level and I'm really, really excited for it to get out of this mine and into this world. I'm like, fast forward to next summer, and that's a pretty big leap. Now, jumping from Portland, Chicago over to London. How do you think your musical go down in London? I don't think, I just do. Good answer. We'll find out together. Cool. I'm sure it'll be loved over there anyway, that sound, I feel like especially London because it's so metropolitan. It's kind of like a lot of cities in the States. Yeah. Their pop scene is popping. Oh, my gosh. I've followed a couple so far on Instagram and I'm like, yes, here for it. Oh, you'll have to start cooking up all the clubs, all the big clubs in London now and start playing. Plenty of gigs. Yeah. In Ireland. You're on my list. I'll be there. Glad to hear. I'll definitely be wherever it is, whether it's Dublin, Galway Park, I'll be there. And we'll move on to the last couple of questions. Now, if there was an artist from history you could see in concert for one night only, who would it be? Helio helio. Yeah. I cried when she passed away in my tub. I think I was in fourth grade. It was like my first famous step. And if I get to see her one time, that would be really awesome. You know what, actually, it's the first time I've heard that answer now, but it's actually the first time in years I've actually even thought of her. You know, I remember that too. I remember that movie, Queen of the Damned. Oh, my. I'm going to be her for Halloween this year. Really? Yes. Spotify just put her album a the Red album on Spotify. Her family held it for a long time, naturally. And when I listened to it, I was like, I need to watch Peanut and Dance. I need to and I was like, I'm going to be that for Halloween. Oh, brilliant. I love that movie, though. She's the classic example of you would have loved to have seen what she would have went down and done. She could possibly be bigger than Beyonce. The trajectory, that's literally what they said. And she was such an innovator and natural changer with modeling to acting to music that it would have been really iconic to watch what she would have done as the music industry grew and changed. Definitely. And the next one, if there was an artist that you could spend 24 hours locked in a room with, who would it be? Beyonce. Ten out of ten. Absolutely. And it doesn't even need to be with her. It could just be that she was in the room and left. And I'm just in her energy to feel this frequency of high performer so that I could be better at high performing. Definitely Beyonce. But if I could pick like another person, I think Nicki Minaj. But not for the bad parts of her. I think for all of the bullshit she had to put up with. Being a female rapper in the early 2000s is such a perseverance personality. I would love to pick the minds because you get a lot of nos and the nose that she got were blatant and disrespectful and loud and so yeah, to pick her mind about how do you just keep going? How do you just keep going? Yeah, actually, that would be a very good one. Yeah. Jeez, I've never thought of that either. Just the perseverance that she'd have. If you had like 10% of that, I feel like you could take over the world. You could do your Mondays would be

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definitely. Definitely. If there was a song to appear on the soundtrack to your life, what would it be? I don't know why I thought of that song first. I was going to say song. Song. That's really hilarious. I don't know why this is like the first one that came to mind. A song for my soundtrack. Wow, I can't believe I'm stumped. I feel like it doesn't happen often. Yeah. I guess I'm going to pick like a Megdastallion song because I feel like Body by Meg the Stallion would be like my soundtrack because I, since turning 29, have just fallen in love with my body. And I'm so excited that this is what I look like and this is me. And it would definitely be that song because rib has to be that one. So and

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with being a pop star, a beauty mogul, and an entrepreneur goddess, how do you find time to do anything else? My friends call me crazy. I really love to work and that's the thing. And work is play for me. And because work is play for me, I schedule my shit out. Like literally my life is scheduled out in the best way possible. Like, I make time for work and I make time for play and I make time for work play. So like when we're on when we went on tour and we had two days in San Francisco and we had a weird day, I stayed in San Francisco for that day so that I can spend a day in San Francisco and do whatever fuck I want. And we had a show in Bend which was 3 hours away. My bandmates drove separately. I booked a stay at this place. We were playing apps because it was like this outdoor hot tub, a spa thing next door. They drove 3 hours there and 3 hours back. And I was like, I'm staying. I'm staying to play. Like this is the part when would we be here ever again? And I got that from my mother. My mother. I did track and field all the way through college. And all summer long we would be somewhere for track and field. Reno for West Coast games or Louisiana for the Junior Olympics. And my mom really made sure that with the work that we did, we got a lot of play. And I have just taken that into my personal life. I don't ever burn out because I make sure I schedule whatever the fuck I want to do in life. Always. So yeah, if you saw my calendar after this, it's wash my hair, do a face mask and get crunk in my calendar. I feel like you need to you know what? Aside from the recipe book, you need to write a self help book. Just giving people advice on how to live their lives. It would be a best seller. It would be the best seller with the worst spelling. My poor editor would be like, honey, honey, I speak into my apple. I don't even text anymore. You know, you can send voice text. I literally voice text people now because I'm like I can't spell that. And I want to use this word. Like why is Qualms with a Q? Why is that a t? Oh man. And the final question then to switch it around. Is there something I should have asked you? What is life like being single and beautiful? Well, I didn't want it. Something you should have asked me? No, these were great questions. Like me getting stumped does not happen. Usually it would be my song and then cisco just starts playing. Embarrassingly. How did you start doing podcasts? Because you're very natural at it. I've done podcasts where it's like a very funny that I have to fill the space and I'm like, how did you feel to figure out podcasts, specifically music people? That's a good question. I actually haven't been asked before on the podcast for about three years. I used to work night shift and I used to use podcasts. Get me triggered nice and always. In the back of my head, I was like, I'd love to do my own, I'd love to do my own. But I didn't know on what. So the pandemic happened. I was like, I finally have the time, but what will I do that then I thought to myself, when I was younger, I used to be in bands, I play guitar, stuff like that. So I was like, you know what? There's a lot of musicians that can't play gigs that are sitting around doing nothing and it'd be great to have a chat with them. Yeah, I love that. And I love the title concerts that made us like it's such a beautiful moment to reflect on those things. Thank you. I'm glad you like it. Listen, it's been an absolute experience. It was a blast. I really enjoyed it. Thank you. I appreciate you. This is awesome.

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