Jeremy de Tolly - The Dirty Skirts

Brian (00:00:00) - Jeremy, you're very welcome to concerts that made us. It's such a pleasure to be here, Brian. Hello everyone. It's brilliant to have you now. I'm looking forward to getting some insights into your music. So you guys just released a new EP, Radiant Clouds. It's your first release since winning the South African Music Award for Best Alternative Album of the Year for Last in the fall in 2012. First off, what can you tell us about the new E.P.?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:00:28) - Yes, the new EP is an exploration. We started writing during lockdown remotely, just sending files backwards and forwards and Ableton Live and and it was just amazing writing like that. Like, the crazy thing is we hadn't written for like eight years or whatever else it was, and it was just like, bam! There was this energy and there there was the creativity. We have no idea exactly where we're going creatively. There's absolutely no plan. We're really just tumbling through the sky and we may just obliterate ourselves when we land on the ground.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:01:02) - But it's a beautiful, beautiful fall.

Brian (00:01:04) - Right, Right. And, you know, normally when a band wins, like an award for best album, they keep going. What happened? Why has it taken so long?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:01:14) - You know, we had such a good run. You know, we started in 2004 and it was just like our experience was in South Africa was we were just on this continual upward curve all the way through. And it was just this escalating thing of like, you know, we started playing to 15 people wearing really horrible white suits because we thought that was cool for a few weeks before we ditched that. And then the clubs got bigger and the crowds got bigger and then it was festivals and then, you know, um, you know, releasing albums and really releasing a lot of material. And we became a big festival circuit kind of band. And, but just to give you a kind of a context is like none of us had actually seen Friends for New Year's Eve for like eight years or something like that.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:01:59) - And people, you know, we're all getting a bit older and, you know, it's a stork dropped a few children down a few chimneys and like life happened. Um, and I think we were just like, oh, I think, you know, we've done this. This is so beautiful. We're going to just stop doing it. And then, you know, if we come back together, that's beautiful. But that was the exactly the right thing to do at that time.

Brian (00:02:20) - Yeah, Yeah. And, you know, was there any apprehension about releasing new music, getting back together and writing together again? Were you afraid maybe the fans wouldn't be there anymore?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:02:32) - Well, you know, maybe not. I mean, I'd say the reality is, is that like, you know, the last time we released music, there were actually CDs involved. And I mean, you know, a lot changed in ten years or eight years. It's like it's radical in the environment shifting all the time. We're all pretty digital marketing savvy and that kind of thing.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:02:51) - But you know, we've got like a ton of followers on Facebook, but, you know, from back then. But like if we post something new about the release, we get like six likes and the engagement algorithms are like, we're, you know, we've got to restart really everything. So I think it's more like as opposed to being afraid of putting out material, it's more like just a little stone cold wake up to releasing material in 2023. We got it. We got we're going to have to hustle in a different way. You know, there was a time when we would stick and glue posters together and do like, kind of crazy sort of artful things, you know? Now we've got to do that digitally.

Brian (00:03:27) - Yeah, Yeah. It's a bit of a it's a tough one, you know, I hate the algorithms because I feel like if you miss one mess up, one post, that's it. You're gone for like six months. They're not going to show your stuff to anyone, you know.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:03:42) - Dead in the water. Exactly. Yeah. It's cold and it's cruel. It's, you know, the bots are cold and cruel and. And yeah, we haven't quite worked out how to carry their flavor and. But, you know, we're making music, we're loving making music. And we've got kind of a strong, let's say, a strong hustle game. You know, it's like we're good. We're lifers for this thing, let's just say. And so it's really just a question of working out how to be as creative as possible with with the constraints of having to do digital marketing. I mean, it's like it sucks, but it's real.

Brian (00:04:20) - Yeah, Yeah. And you know, once you guys were back together, did you notice that the sound or you guys had changed much?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:04:28) - Well, you know, we'd already, as our albums had done a kind of a progression. And we always explored like Lost in the Fall that we won the South African Music Award was kind of a little darker.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:04:40) - It was definitely pre apocalyptic kind of there's always pre apocalyptic tension in our music and that's still there. I would just say maybe we like rounded out like our waistlines and expanded and you could feel that in the music a little bit. It's maybe a little bit less urgent, but we'll see, you know, we'll see. We'll probably pull back some of that urgency. We were always a little bit urgent, as if we didn't have much time left and what were we going to do with the short, sweet next moment?

Brian (00:05:10) - The record, it seems very socially aware. What do you hope people get from it?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:05:18) - You know, we've always I've always like, you know, as a lyricist, I've been dreaming about us, about the waters rising forever. If you go back into our music from like 2006, there would be lines like Cape Town is under the ocean, bobbing bottles of suntan lotion. A coconut oil slick spreads out across the sea is coconut oil, suntan lotion. And it was always like the waters were going to rise and we're all going to die without it being necessarily an elastic or sad sack thing like that.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:05:49) - It's just been a kind of an under layer amidst, like really personal things. So like this. You know, I'm also you know, also I'm a trauma facilitator. I'm deeply interested in in how we get wounded and depression and anxiety. And I've had my fair share of trauma and depression and anxiety and all that kind of stuff. So I love getting real about that stuff. If you listen to the new release like Numb and fronting that we we released today is really just about being shut down. Totally messed up. But kind of just putting out that that that face to the world is so many of us do And yeah. So it's kind of like you know those stories of getting real but also finding it's called radiant clouds for a reason, finding the radiance. And in a way, even if it's a chemical haze cloud glinting in the sun, it's still beautiful. That trail is so beautiful in the sky.

Brian (00:06:48) - All right. Right. And I suppose at this stage, we'll dive into your history to give the listeners a sense of where you came from musically.

Brian (00:06:58) - So if you can, can you remember your earliest musical memory?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:07:04) - Oh, you know, that'll be from my, my my father was not a musician or is not a musician, but was an avid collector back in the day. He used to get those gramophone magazine gramophone books of ratings of all the best music. You know, this is long before Pitchfork or anything. So I was brought up around a lot of really good music. So I remember just being actually on a deck in Toronto, a wooden deck in the summer, and beautiful music being played and people dancing and so brought up around a ton of music.

Brian (00:07:33) - And, you know, junior teenagers then. What kind of music were you being exposed and how do you think it eventually influenced you into the musician you are today?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:07:43) - It really, really, really did, actually. You know, like I just loved kind of gothic, post-punk kind of music, um, and some electronica, but a lot of that stuff. And so, you know, yeah.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:07:58) - So it was a deep influence, like bands like The Cure and Joy Division and, and then shoegaze kind of music like My Bloody Valentine and, you know, a lot of that kind of stuff is there, even though we've traveled their own path, you know?

Brian (00:08:13) - And what was the local music scene like now when you were coming up was a very vibrant. Was there plenty of gigs to go to?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:08:21) - No, that was a weird thing, is we arrived at this weird kind of lull in the Cape Town and South African scene, and there were a few few of us bands. There was some absolutely mesmerizing other bands and we all just like erupted at the same time. And and there was just like a ton of energy. And it kind of coincided a little bit with the indie explosion of 2005, six seven and whether it was like down, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, or the killers or just or block party or whatever the heck else it was. It just happened. I have you know, we all had similar music roots to those bands, so our timing was just really good.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:09:02) - We, you know, Anyway, so there was there was a scene and it exploded at the time that we exploded. Our timing was just lucky. So but you know, like small clubs to suddenly there were TV cameras all over the place. We were just like we were shitting ourselves a lot on the ascent.

Brian (00:09:17) - Yeah, I could imagine. Oh, my goodness. And a bit of a tough question, but looking back at those days, then, what do you credit your success with?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:09:29) - I was timing, I'd say energy. We had like a lot of energy. You know, we would we we were pretty artful, I suppose, at the time. And we were taking a lot of risks and playing and everything was just about breaking rules and doing things differently. So I'd say that I'd say some savvy, you know, like we worked hard on our marketing to, you know, like, like we were just like, we want to do this and we want people to hear us. And so if that involves slapping up posters at 3 a.m. with glue onto all the walls, then we'll just do that.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:10:04) - And so I'd say that and then and then just the musicals are caught people, you know, we started with just like a drum machine and three of us and a lot of effects in the music. If you listen to our first EP, which is on Spotify and all the things, you know, we had a drum machine then, so we were just like kind of a weird band with a drum machine and three of us playing this kind of weird Indian stuff. That's some of it. Some of those tracks are cool and some of them are you know, some of them are just like a little lame. And you know what happens?

Brian (00:10:39) - I can't wait to hear about this. Now, as a concert goer. What concerts dating have made you?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:10:46) - So one concerts that will is etched like burnt into my cranium in black gold. It was the cure supported by 11 rockets who are X Bar House and the Pixies.

Brian (00:11:07) - Oh my God.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:11:09) - It was just unbelievable. And I would say just another huge one would be Radiohead, you know, saw them in Spain.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:11:17) - And I just, you know, I love them. And that was just like me and a thousands of Spaniards crying, you know?

Brian (00:11:27) - And what makes a good show for you? What needs to happen for you to walk away from that gig? And that was one of the best I've seen.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:11:37) - Now, I would say one is energy. Um, two is authenticity. So one is this energy, like this ability to capture kilowatts of turbocharged power. Like a kind of superhuman power levels. And I think that's one of the things that that we kind of worked out how to do live. I don't know. It just sort of came naturally that we would like, you know, we push each other around the stage and it would just get naughty and bad. And, you know, we used to drink too much initially until we learned that we were really shocking as a live band when we were completely drunk out of our skulls. And we couldn't do that anymore because this is bad for shows, but lots of energy.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:12:14) - I'd say emotion and real connection with the audience, like really being prepared to go to places. Um, yeah, I think those are some of them. Emotion and intensity and energy and, and just authenticity, like real illness without stuff. But it's kind of weird because it's like hyper real to, you know, it's not just like, I'm going to be my my lazy belly scratching net watch Netflix watching self in front of 10,000 people. But it's it's willing being willing to slow things down like, you know just everything let's just stop and slow everything down everyone's amped and it's just like slow down and then slowly building and into. Well, the apocalypse.

Brian (00:13:04) - And now this one. For any listeners that haven't caught one of your shores, what can they expect? Give them the full experience if you can.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:13:15) - I would just say like a ton of energy. So imagine like a cross of, um, maybe fluttering, fluttering us a little bit. Freddie Mercury meets, um, David Bowie meets, um, maybe Red Hot Chili Peppers from a kind of an energy point of view.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:13:38) - You know, we don't, we, we, you know, it's just we're flying and, and and but there's also a lot of love in it. But there's also some, like, wildness. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what it is. Kind of loving and wild and crazy and, uh, but also hopefully deep, like an experience where we feel things, too.

Brian (00:13:58) - Sounds like one hell of a time. Now, in the past, you've toured the UK and USA and you've shared the stage with Oasis, Snow Patrol, Evanescence, three doors down, Billy Talent and Staind. When you're playing on that level, what do you learn?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:14:14) - I'm sure you know, I love those stages, you know, but but it's also like it's so darn real. Like, I always tell a story of playing in front of 20, 25,000 people in Johannesburg. We're supporting our Asis and Snow Patrol and a ton of folk, and it's in Johannesburg. It's at altitude and it's dry and like it's so dry that it just wicks all the moisture out of your vocal cords unless you live up there.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:14:40) - And I got up there and I had some big frogs in my throat in the middle of some of our sort of hit singles, that kind of stuff. And I did fine. But it wasn't it was not amazing. But I got off the stage mortified. You know, it's just not good enough. And I'm always just thoughtful about, you know, the number of times I've watched Adele at least twice. Absolutely murdered, but not in a good way, her performances at the Grammys. And I suppose what I'm saying is like the production values are so incredible and it's so incredible doing those shows, but it's also so utterly humbling and it's so and it's so imperfect. And most people don't necessarily hear those imperfections anyway. So it's just like it's a very dramatically human and hyperreal and awesome experience at the same time. It's very difficult to parse the the humanity of it and the kind of ultra humanity of it. And sometimes they can leave you. It can it can fuck with your personality, with your personality and your ego and who you think you are.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:15:41) - You know, I've become some distorted versions of myself along the way.

Brian (00:15:45) - Right, Right. Yeah. And out of all the gigs you've played in, is there one that sticks out in your mind as maybe the best experience you've had?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:15:55) - I've got two. One. One is the show after that one where I'm in Johannesburg where my voice cracked and it was not great because the next day we played in Cape Town and it was, you know, it was on the massive farm again, 20 something thousand people and just a massive crowd. But mountains all around because Cape Town is so beautiful. And it was a summer's day and it was just glorious. And that day it was just one of those things where the stars aligned. And I just and I and we nailed it. And it's just not always like that. And another one that I'll mention is in Cape Town, there's the National Gardens that are right adjacent to Table Mountain. And this was this mountain pouring out. And there's a show there where you played if say, five, 10,000 people at the and Bosch Gardens.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:16:37) - And it's probably the most beautiful live venue on planet Earth. I mean, you know, I love Cape Town, but it really is. And so just surrounded by that amount of nature and beauty and a lot of families picnicking and all this kind of thing is really, really beautiful. And I'll never forget that day also because our guitarist, he had produced a daughter at that point and she was a show. And I remember a sound checking and and and then him going out and swinging her around him on the grass. And it was just like it was a, you know, it's just like life. It's beautiful life.

Brian (00:17:13) - Yeah. That that actually sounds like one of the most perfect memories. And not to get too negative now, but to flip it around. Is there one that maybe sticks in your head as the worst experience and how did you deal with it?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:17:27) - Yeah, I mean, I would say there were plenty that were super crappy, you know, like getting up onto a festival stage.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:17:34) - You're putting in-ears into your ears, you know, you're plugging these things in and now you're walled off inside this. But when you turn it on and you start the first song, you basically got roaring white noise going into your ear because the monitoring engineer is totally screwed. And and you're, you know, you're in front of 10,000 people rocking out, but you can't even really hear the drums keep time being in tune. So like, stuff like that just happens, you know, maybe, I don't know if it just happens in South Africa, but virtual crappy stuff like that. I would say that that would probably be just I mean, I can't specify a single one. You know, and I'd say we just learned over time there were times when, like I remember I was playing a festival up near Durban and finishing off a bottle of tequila and more before getting on stage and like falling all over the stage. That was probably around the time when we decided actually, I think we need to grow up a little bit if we're going to keep doing this.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:18:28) - You know, like actually physically falling off the stage is not a great look.

Brian (00:18:33) - I wouldn't think so. No. Geez. And you know, what have you guys been doing to prepare for live shows now after such an absence?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:18:42) - You know, like I, for example, I sing and I train my voice every day and I'm rehearsing the set every day. And we'll only be playing our first shows in October. So I'm like ironing out every last kink now and also just getting into moving again. So like, you know, just like here, you know, there's a microphone, there's an amp down here. There's the guitar and so on. So it's we're, you know, we're just getting ready to go and, uh, and yeah. And so that's it. It's really just practice. So we're practicing alone at first and then we'll get into a room and just kind of turn up the heat.

Brian (00:19:24) - Yeah, Yeah. And back in those days where the shores were, you know, nearly all the time, what was your pre-show and portion ritual? How did you seek yourself up and how did you come down afterwards?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:19:37) - Yeah, initially, as we set ourselves up with tequila until that didn't work anymore.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:19:43) - And then after, you know, after that, I can't even remember actually what we did. But we definitely had rituals where and we definitely hang out together and really kind of get aligned with sing together. The warm up we'd have, you know, the huge hug and really just like a kind of a mutual appreciation before going on. And I'd say the same afterwards, like a warm down and just like, okay, and then go and talk to people and, and be with family and friends and yeah.

Brian (00:20:14) - You know, say you played a massive stage, 25,000 people on a Friday night. You wake up Saturday morning, you kind of have the post gig, post tour blues. How did you used to deal with it?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:20:27) - Yeah, it's kind of weird, you know, like, trying to like. Go out and, you know, go and get a, you know, go get a coffee in the morning. There is it's very weird trying to. Occupying both universes at the same time.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:20:43) - I mean, ultimately playing you know, it might look like something extraordinary, but everything becomes normal and and it's your job and and it's the most beautiful thing to do, so. You just come home and, you know, you wash your face and you're buzzed as you're so buzzed and so, like, getting an buzz, there's a bit of an issue before sleeping. And then you wake up the next day and it's just real life. But it is simultaneously this sort of weird paradox of like. How do I move from that to to simple things? It does involve in a way, like a lot of grounding and like exercise and just seeing friends who, you know, just see you as you and and so just reintegrating like that because you can it can distort you. Yeah. If you're identifying with that other reality as yourself.

Brian (00:21:41) - Would you find then that friends and people you knew beforehand would kind of treat you differently or start to look at you differently?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:21:50) - Um, I kind of just going to say yes and no because yes, I suppose they were along for the journey, but also no.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:21:55) - Like that's what's so helpful about friends is, is I mean, it's exciting for everyone. We're all like, we're all at the show and then partying together afterwards or whatever else it is. And, and so if there was a whole scene for us all to enjoy, let's just say it was far beyond our band. Um, but, but it's also like that level of connection and checking in and just talking about real life stuff that's actually like the lifeline. I mean, it's a lifeline for all of us. And, and I'd say that's the stuff that kept me sane was connection and just like not being anybody because it's also weird, like for many years I couldn't get really through a South African shopping centre without signing autographs, that sort of stuff. And um, that stuff plays with your head.

Brian (00:22:44) - I could imagine. And you know, when you tour the UK in the USA, I imagine once you came back, other people in the music scene probably looked looked at. You guys differently did this like, Oh, these guys are big, big shots now they've been overseas.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:23:00) - Oh, there was maybe some of that, you know, like, you know, the reality of the touring in those places was very, very gritty. You know, it wasn't like we were playing, um, you know, the O2 arena or anything like that. So we were doing the hard yards actually in South Africa. We were playing much bigger shows. Um, so if, if nothing else, actually more than anything else, actually it was more the festival stages that we played in here in South Africa that really stuck in people's minds and they were the ones that they'd see online and that kind of thing.

Brian (00:23:36) - Yeah, yeah. And nowadays, compared to back then, how would you measure success, what the success mean to you?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:23:45) - I'd say the very, very, very first thing is enjoyment and enjoyment and the health of it. They're not just having fun, but just like the emotional health, the mental and emotional health, the sense of alignment to, you know, in my life and in our lives.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:24:01) - And so that involves also the relationships between us as we make I have to say that they feel healthier than ever now. It's just like a little bit more older and generous and some of those edgy edges of of softened, you know, um. And so the primary would be that. But also then the creativity like really putting out good work. I feel more yeah, even more focused about producing significant or quality work. Like I'd say I've never focused, even never focused as much, for example, lyrically on getting every last syllable to to be impeccable or as close as I can get it. Um, so I suppose that it would be beautiful to get people to hear it and to have some success. It's not the primary driver, but at the same time, any artist who doesn't, he says they don't. They produce work with no interest in an audience is probably lying. And so I'm not going to lie about that.

Brian (00:25:01) - And say 30, 40 years time. Then you look back at your career.

Brian (00:25:06) - What do you hope your legacy is?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:25:09) - I'd say by the end of the span of it all, I'd like to have put out a body of beautiful work that contributes that's healthy in a way. You know, our music is evolved. It's even the lyrical content. We were like really naughty 12 years ago. But, you know, it wasn't necessarily particularly work. And so and it's not about being woke or not work, it's more just about it's it's just about positively contributing and, and without trying too hard, like making art. But I'm going to say even making art with some heart in it and the willingness to be authentic even about are like crappiest parts and are like most shut down shamed parts. They're all welcome to the party. So it's like authentic, authentic, beautiful work. That's what I'd like for us to have made.

Brian (00:26:00) - Right, Right. And before we dive into the last couple of questions, then future plans. Lay it all out for us. Where do you go from here?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:26:09) - Yeah.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:26:09) - So, you know, we've got these giant folders of sketches and it's just like mushrooming. I think we've, we've this EP of three tracks. We'd already had something like 60, 70 ideas that we were picking those three from and, and the mushroom cloud or the mushroom just keeps growing And so we're going to keep releasing more material. Um. Yeah. And then and then we're working towards October onwards, starting to, to play shows again. And I think, you know, we want to, I think we'd like to put out some, some intelligent content, you know, like that's part of the art, let's just say now. And it wasn't so much when, when we were last at this. So I think we would like to work out how to do that. Um, so it's really just make music and play.

Brian (00:26:56) - It's brilliant. And I have to ask, I'm from Europe, so are you guys going to eventually come back over here or go to the States?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:27:04) - Yeah, we'd really, really love to.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:27:05) - So we've. Yeah, we're kind of beginning to work on that. Uh, yeah, we really, really, really want to. Our sound is, I think is pretty friendly for like a UK, Ireland kind of market in New York market and that sort of stuff. It's kind of indie and yeah.

Brian (00:27:27) - Yeah, definitely goes down well over here anyway and we'll dive into the last few. So there, we'll start you off easy. If you didn't, if you weren't a musician, what do you think you'd be doing?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:27:40) - Well, I already do. You know, already I'm a trauma facilitator, and I work, um. I work with people's voices, but I also work with a ton of trauma. And so I do that I would never not be a musician. Like, it would be a little bit like putting out the fires inside. I think it would just be like my whole system would just power down and I cease to exist. But I love to help supporting people to be emotionally healthy and helping them get through really hard things.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:28:10) - I've done a lot of my you know, that on my journey myself. So like to to share that. And I love to pour that into the music to, you know, it's just like the real gritty reality of being a kind of a functioning, healthy, loving human being on this earth. It's not always easy for some people. You know, they had charmed families and that's awesome or and just the kind of got off scot free. But there are a ton of other folk who ended up needing to do a lot of work to to even just to function. So I'm kind of in their camp and I like being in that support crew.

Brian (00:28:45) - Yeah, Yeah. And this will be interesting if you could see any performer from History and Concert for One Night only, who would it be?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:28:57) - Great question. I think I would probably teleport back and take a tub of acid and watch Jimi Hendrix.

Brian (00:29:11) - That would be a pretty sweet night. All right. Oh, man. Yeah, And we'll get slightly weird.

Brian (00:29:20) - Now, if you had to be locked in a room with any musician from history, who would it be for 24 hours?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:29:27) - The 24 hours and. I think it might be Thom Yorke.

Brian (00:29:35) - Rice. Rice. Really?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:29:37) - Good. Yeah. I'd like to. I'd like to talk to him. You know what? I'm going to take that back. I'm sorry. I'm taking it back. I'm choosing Nick Cave.

Brian (00:29:46) - Right.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:29:47) - Hang out with Nick Cave. He's. I'd like to talk poetry and lyrics and life. I don't know how much time you spent around his red hand files and his writing. He's just a brilliant writer and a huge heart and a soul.

Brian (00:30:02) - I feel like it would be a very deep 24 hours, though.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:30:05) - Yeah, exactly. Look, it wouldn't be the most playful.

Brian (00:30:11) - Yeah.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:30:13) - Who would you choose?

Brian (00:30:14) - Who would I choose? Oh, God. Uh, I feel like a change is daily, but someone that I always come back to is Jim Morrison. Even though it wouldn't be the healthiest 24 hours.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:30:27) - You need a little therapy afterwards, but it'd be pretty awesome, actually. Yeah.

Brian (00:30:31) - Yeah, that's for sure. And the final one. So if there was a song to appear on the soundtrack to your life, what would it be?

Jeremy de Tolly (00:30:41) - I'm going to go with the single that we released a few weeks ago. Blue jeans, guys. That's a really personal story about the first time I fell in love and I just thought I was going. I wanted to be with her forever. And then I froze. I was like a block of wood around her, even though we were going out. And I lost all my spontaneity and joy and it was just like falling apart really slowly while being completely smitten with someone. And at the same time and that song has got this total bitter sweetness of just like these, like this blue jeans guys. I'm like, you know, young And the sky is blue, jean colored, and there are these radiant clouds and it's just this terror of being a human being.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:31:27) - And I love the emotion in it. Um, love the groove in it, which is a bit of an Afrobeat groove. I play that one. And when I originally sketched it, it started off as like an Aphex Twin style selected ambient works ambient piece, and then developed into this kind of Afrobeat electronica kind of thing. I love that song, so I love you all. To listen to it.

Brian (00:31:52) - Has to be that one. So listen, Jeremy, I've really enjoyed chat with you, you know. Thanks a million for coming on.

Jeremy de Tolly (00:31:58) - Oh, thank you so much, Brian. It's been awesome talking to you too. Thank you for the just the exposure and and for doing what you do.