"Unveiling the Mysterious and Otherworldly Creation of 'The Sun Will Still Shine When You Die'" with Emmaleen

Brian (00:00:00) - Emmaleen and you're very welcome to concerts that made us.

Emmaleen (00:00:03) - Thank you so much for having me.

Brian (00:00:05) - It's great to have you. Now. I'm really looking forward to diving into your music over the next bit. So you released The Sun Will Still Shine When You Die on the 20th of October. What can you tell us about it?

Emmaleen (00:00:18) - Oh, well, there's so much to say about this album. Yeah, it's seven songs. Some of them are quite intense, some are slightly lighter. Um, but yeah, it's it's. Yeah, it's quite intense dark music. You know, there's a, there's like a deep theme of. Yeah, you know, sort of death and. That kind of thing, you know? So what's going to happen when we die and and so that. Yeah. So that was something that, um. Old didn't actually plan, you know, to write such dark songs. It's that kind of music just, you know, it just comes out of me and. Yeah.

Emmaleen (00:01:10) - You know, it's, you know, it's so hard to actually talk about it just straight away because it's, you know, it's that kind of music. You know, sort of carried around like my whole life. So it's got like a lot of, you know, sort of memories of. Sort of other lifetimes and very strange kind of things that I've felt and seen in my lifetime and. Um, and some of the songs, you know, I mean, it's, it's like these kind of story type songs, so it's not. Yeah, I don't know. It's not about my life. But at the same time, you know, it's about a whole lot of things at the same. I'm not. I'm extremely nervous. You know, it's my first review, so. Yeah, it's. It's such a hard thing to talk about, you know, because my lyrics are so intense that they kind of say everything. So to try to. Just try to put it into one sentence is quite difficult because it's.

Emmaleen (00:02:29) - Yeah. You know. Yeah, yeah. It's not coming from my mind. It's from my soul and my heart.

Brian (00:02:35) - So it's like you're a vessel for it to come true.

Emmaleen (00:02:40) - Yeah. You're.

Brian (00:02:43) - And you know, when you're writing such songs. And what does the process look like? How do you approach it?

Emmaleen (00:02:50) - I do a lot of praying for souls to sort of find me in a way. So it's a very deep thing that I do. And it's. You know, if I can be extremely honest with you, it's it's very strange. I mean, they. You are the kind of have their own. Kind of being to them, you know, like they. They own kind of entity that just come visit me. So, you know, I will actually see. Someone's face or something, and then I'll be like, okay, this is very strange. So there's like a whole feeling of their. You know, sort of laugh or something, and it's, um, it's.

Emmaleen (00:03:44) - Yeah. Um. Lots of dreams and things like that. And. You're. I'm, I don't know, I have. Um, you know. Lots of influences, you know. You know, you know, I'm really actually reading books all the time. Like, very strange, interesting books. You know, I'm having all sorts of dreams, you know. You know, I'm listening to all sorts of bizarre music. So I have, like, a lot of influences coming in, so I think. That kind of thing. Just all, you know, you know, it just slowly kind of filters down into my. Into my whole being. And then just, I don't know, I just hear something or, you know, I see something like, oh, I was actually out, I think it was last week and I was at like some, some ball or something. And, you know, there was a guy there and I don't know, he was holding his I don't know, his drink.

Emmaleen (00:04:49) - But in the way that he was holding it, I don't know, it was like he was holding a baby. So, you know, so so there's just that one tiny image. And then and then like, I don't know, this whole, um, you know, sort of song just came to me, like, just in a flash, you know, like within five minutes, I saw, like, this whole image of this person and his life and his wife and, you know, Swazi album self and, um, so, yeah, I don't actually know how it works because it's not from the mind at all. It's from some other place. Yeah. It sounds like a little bit out there and. Yeah, yeah, it is out there for me, you know, you know, it's not like a normal kind of job where I'm like, okay, now I'm going to sound and I'm going to write music. It just comes over. Over me.

Brian (00:05:45) - I gotcha, gotcha.

Brian (00:05:47) - And, you know, you mentioned you have a lot of strange dreams and you use them for inspiration as well. Do you find it hard to kind of translate your dreams into lyrics? I know a lot of people have trouble remembering dreams after they've woke up.

Emmaleen (00:06:03) - Uh, yeah, definitely. You know, you know, it is very difficult. Um, but you're right all the time, you know, so I have I have a lot of, um, lots of words in me already, you know? So I'm always kind of writing a single day. I'm just kind of writing sorts of things, you know? Your, like, my feelings about the world and. So I have like so many lyrics just kind of lying around anyway, have I have like everywhere I've got. Yeah. So I think that kind of thing. Yeah. It sounds difficult and sometimes extremely easy, you know. So I mean, yeah, if I can think about some of the songs on this album, you know, there's 1 or 2 that that was so easy to write.

Emmaleen (00:06:57) - But it's the most intense, dark, deep thing. And I just think, where does this come from? And then, you know, something else just took months. You know, one song just turns. And I just thought, okay, I can kind of feel it. I can kind of feel it. It actually wants to be. I just don't know how to actually put it into words. Because how? Because it's like a feeling more than a. You know, it's hard to talk about because it's so for me, it's just like actual, you know, it's completely instinctual. You know, I've been playing for such a long time that it's not it's not like, um, I don't know. It's not coming from my ego. It's not coming from, you know, like this human, um, you know, sort of self that's like, so nervous and shy of people. Once I'm on the stage, I'm like a completely, you know, I'm like a different person altogether.

Brian (00:08:03) - You made me think of something actually there. A lot of singers have alter egos. Would you say that when you step on the stage, then you have an alter ego who takes over?

Emmaleen (00:08:14) - Um, yeah, that is such an interesting question, because when I am on stage. It's like my soul takes over. You know, my ego has to sit down. And if it's. It was too much from my ego. If I'm like, oh, and now I have to play really well and have to sing completely in tune, and if I do one thing wrong, it's a bad show, then it's just crap, you know? It's not. Yeah. It's just that good and and. Yeah, yeah, it's really quite interesting because the audience can feel it immediately, you know, they can just feel, okay, this is different now and then they just, you know, they just slowly calm down and everyone just goes into this, I don't know, like a state of awareness. And then I can feel.

Brian (00:09:15) - The energy in the room, I suppose.

Emmaleen (00:09:17) - Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because and yeah, it's quite intense. You know, sometimes because I can feel every person's energy in that room. So everyone's, you know, obviously on call them on drugs or they, you know, kind of one thing or they all over the so to try to. Feel that, but also actually go into myself and play in this, in this really deep way is still something that you are. I'm still kind of struggling with. Because it's that hyper kind of sensitivity. As, um. Yeah, I don't know. It's super intense at times.

Brian (00:10:03) - Sounds. It sounds. It almost feels like standing there with like a 10,000 watt bulb in your face and trying to, you know, manage it almost.

Emmaleen (00:10:16) - Yeah.

Brian (00:10:18) - And, you know, the recording process you don't take away quickly. Can you tell us a bit about that?

Emmaleen (00:10:24) - Yeah, sure. Um, so the album took four days. Um, yeah. And I did all the instruments.

Emmaleen (00:10:34) - Um. So it was about eight hours a day, 8 to 9 hours a day. So it was it was it was very, very hard work. And yeah, it was very intense because you have to actually get the, the. Like whole kind of soul of it, you know, straight away. Because if it's if I'm not really feeling it at all, if, if I'm, if I'm extremely nervous or, um. Well, it's I don't know, it's too cold room or there's all these, you know, sort of elements. It doesn't work. So I have to I don't know. No, I have to actually do all these things in that room. Like to kind of. I don't know, you know. Um, but then. Once it's working, then then it's really kind of flowing, you know, to actually get into that altered state of feeling, you know, like, which sometimes can, you know, a few hours, but other times it's just, you know, it's straight away.

Emmaleen (00:11:41) - And then I'm then I'm there, you know, sort of focused completely. And then I can work for hours and then it's just. And then the whole album is done. It's. Yeah. I think the next one, though. If I could. Maybe. I don't know because y'all do it. And in that amount of time is extremely intense, you know, and sometimes there's I don't know, there's certain things that you think one and then you kind of listen back and you're like, no, that's actually like a bit out, you know, have to redo it. But I don't know. But a rawness to it that. Is, you know, it's not something that you can ever get back. It's like, yeah. So I think there's. Yeah. There's like a magic, you know? That's that's what I feel.

Brian (00:12:38) - It sounds like doing it that way though. Does by the end of it, it would take an awful lot out of you. Like, I feel like you'd be physically, mentally, emotionally drained.

Emmaleen (00:12:50) - That's that's actually very, very trying. Yeah. After that I was out of it for a few weeks and then, you know, and then had like 6 or 7 shows. So, you know, I was playing every single week. So I'm still actually very, very, very tired on, on all those um. So yeah, that's also been quite intense. Yeah, yeah.

Brian (00:13:20) - My God, you need to like, every time you record an album, you need to take like a 3 or 4 week holiday.

Emmaleen (00:13:27) - Yeah.

Brian (00:13:29) - And, you know, how does the final version of the album compare to the original concept that you had?

Emmaleen (00:13:37) - Okay. Well, it's actually it's completely different. It's I don't know, it's something completely that I did not plan for. You know, these songs are so dark that are two of them. I just have no idea how did that come to be? And. But, yeah, it's so beautiful as well, you know, like, when actually here I just start crying because I feel like it's not even me.

Emmaleen (00:14:05) - It's. It's me, but it's not me at all. That's. Yeah. No, it's like an yeah. Don't. Yeah. It's like a really interesting experience to have that where you sort of realize, okay, this is something completely. You also have higher than me. It's not. It's just not coming from the ego at all. In planet. Getcha! Which is quite amazing.

Brian (00:14:37) - Yeah, yeah. And I have to ask, you know, when someone listens to your music, they obviously have a they get a preconceived image of you in their head of what you would be like, maybe. What are you like compared to the music? You know, what's the real Emmeline like?

Emmaleen (00:14:56) - Great. That's so funny because so many people just, you know, they just don't know how to kind of play because I don't know, I'm so I don't know, you just sort of lighthearted and like a bit nervous and, and then have this, this like deep voice when I sing like, you know, they just don't understand.

Emmaleen (00:15:15) - So it's quite, it's quite interesting. But I would say I'm. I don't know. I'm actually every. You know, I'm actually light and dark. I say that that kind of singing and that kind of playing, I don't know, is my true self, you know? And the rest of the time I'm kind of hiding away. Sometimes I feel like I'm. You know, I'm much of on stage, but then stage I have to I have to kind of try to seem at least normal and to. So it's yeah, it's like interesting question because, you know, feel like it's me. It's also. It's me, but it's also like a whole other thing as well. Yeah.

Brian (00:16:04) - Actually, I find that intriguing. Now it's kind of like on stage it's you. But in your day to day, that's the alter ego. Would you agree?

Emmaleen (00:16:17) - Yeah. That's actually. Yeah. That's like an interesting. Sort of point that you have there. I do feel like that. And so many ways I feel like I don't know, you know, we in this, this, I don't know, like this world where we all, you know, like we all try to be in line and like, we all try like.

Emmaleen (00:16:41) - Yeah. Like there's always someone. Yeah. I don't know if there's really kind of. It's just interesting how this. How this whole world works. Like, we're all trying to kind of do what we think we should do, but none times out of ten, it's it's not really what we want. I don't know, a soul really craves. Yeah. So. Yeah. What I'm learning, I think, is to bridge those two now, you know, so it's not like I'm just one thing. And then halfway, you know, I'd like to converge at all and. Yeah. So some of my songs now that you know, I started are are not as they like all of a sudden they have like another kind of feelings. So that's also interesting. But I'm not going to be writing sad, sad music for the rest of my life. It might different in a few months. Don't.

Brian (00:17:43) - It's interesting. It's interesting. And you know what? Overall, the whole music process. What's your favorite and least favorite part? You know, is there a part that you really look forward to? And then is there a part that just feels like work?

Emmaleen (00:17:59) - Yeah.

Emmaleen (00:17:59) - So this kind of for me is extremely, extremely difficult. You know, having to actually talk to people because everyone's, you know, they're like all trying to kind of figure out. So that for me is extremely difficult. And, and all the advertising and the marketing that you have to do others, you know. Yeah, there's. Yeah. And no one's gonna hear you if you don't, if you don't market it. So that for me, oh my gosh, with the whole Instagram thing feels like it feels like work. It feels like, oh, now I have to advertise. Otherwise no one's going to come to the shows. So that's difficult. Um, you know, the thing that I just really, really, really, really love is the actual playing and the actual Isaac and. Yeah, because that's what I can do. Well, everything else like, have to have to learn from scratch and figure out, like the whole industry and, and the way that I have to, you know, like you have to actually network with people and oh, it can be cool.

Emmaleen (00:19:14) - But other times I just feel like everyone's got such a ego about them, like everyone's, you know, other everyone's just. Yeah, yeah, they're just trying to say something and in such a way it's like. Yeah, I don't know, it's like a bit nasty of me too. But sometimes that kind of thing can be extremely draining, you know, because everyone's trying to prove themselves. And. So that part of the cult. But how the music and film is everything and that's. Yeah, I don't, I don't know, it's my dream, you know, like you got to do that, you know, like to play on stage for people is a big thing, you know. So I'm no I'm extremely lucky that I can do that. You know, there's not many people that can.

Brian (00:20:12) - Exactly, exactly. And I suppose at this stage. So we'll give the listeners a sense of where you come from musically. So if you can, can you remember your earliest musical memory?

Emmaleen (00:20:25) - So I started actually listening to very old music from a young age.

Emmaleen (00:20:30) - So I was listening to Hendrix, Hendrix, and my mom was listening to Nina Simone and. So I was probably about 2 or 3 years old. You know, I was listening to that kind of music that, you know, I just wanted louder. So that's what I just said to my parents. Can you turn that up? Because I want to hear Jimi Hendrix. So I would say, yeah. So that was my first kind of memory. And something in me from a very, very, very young age was like. I understand this. I'm going to be doing that. The rest of life is going to be extremely difficult, but that's what I understand. I was dancing and everything, you know, was, you know, I was doing these things with the guitar from a very young age. He also my family kind of knew. I think they knew, okay, that one's going to be doing something with art and music. So you're all right.

Brian (00:21:37) - And you know, you're in your later years, then your teenage years, everything.

Brian (00:21:41) - What sort of music were you exposed to and how do you think it molded you into the musician you are today?

Emmaleen (00:21:49) - Um, well, I was actually listening to very old, old Blues where about 12 or 13, like, you know, I was like a child still, you know, so everyone else, you know, got their bands and, like, heavy metal and I was, oh, I was listening to blues. So son house people like us, Robert Johnson um, very old, old blues guys, you know. Was that from a young age? Whites also, you know, a lot of times. Also from a young age. Bob Dylan, all those people, you know, the. Y'all the roots. You know of of. Music, I guess I went away, went actually straight towards that very young age. So love that. But then um, yeah, in terms of sort of bands and stuff, I was listening to very heavy music as well. I was listening to Korn.

Emmaleen (00:22:59) - And Slipknot. Sorry. There's, like a dog outside. Um. Corn and like just very, very, very heavy music as well. And. Y'all was actually listening to all sorts of things. All different types.

Brian (00:23:19) - It's a good mix, kind of almost polar opposites as well.

Emmaleen (00:23:23) - Yeah.

Brian (00:23:24) - You know, then when it comes to concerts as a concert, Gore, what concerts would you say have made you.

Emmaleen (00:23:32) - Well saw live music from quite a young age. So I was, you know, I was super, super lucky to see you. See Guy buttery, which, you know, he's actually from South Africa and he's. I mean, he's terrible. Um. You're so lucky. People from quite a young age. And that's life changing. Think when you are very young, Your Honor. So, Metallica. When I was 13. Oh, man. That was. Yeah, it's kind of cool. Yeah. It was, I was so I was arrogant. I was like a teenager, like.

Emmaleen (00:24:16) - Yes. But that kind of thing can change your whole life. Then you realize that's actually. Yeah, that's like a huge deal. And then I guess in my 20s I, ah, travelled quite a bit. So I saw, I saw like a few bands, which was also amazing. And here are the concerts that make me. It's like such a interesting question. Um, you know.

Brian (00:24:43) - It's hard to pinpoint, isn't it?

Emmaleen (00:24:45) - Yeah, it's very hard to pinpoint shows. You know, I've seen some stunning people where it it really feels like that's, you know, it's changing from the inside out.

Brian (00:25:00) - Yeah. Yeah. And your own shores. I'm looking forward to hearing about this. Now, for any listeners that haven't caught one, give them the full experience if you can.

Emmaleen (00:25:11) - Oh I'll try. Um, so you're all the way start when I plays. You know, I kind of have a bit. And, you know, I start chanting sometimes then, you know, so that kind of that can't that, I don't know, really kind of calms people down.

Emmaleen (00:25:34) - You know, they, they like just sort of settle down. Your I play like a few different elements, you know, um, it's guitar. Um, really actually solo most of the time. Um, you know, I might have, you know, like a bit of a. Sort of drama every now and then or something, you know, to help me. But, um. So my show on Saturday. But, you know, I've got someone that has really, actually played lots of drums and like, some cello as well. You know, the cello I think is super cool with banjo that, I don't know, it seems to. You know, it seems to work extremely well. You know, the cello, banjo. So that's that's actually something new. So my songs are, you know, I'll be playing lots of songs from the other album, the new album. And so it's. Yeah. So it's sort of new stuff and old kind of mixed in. Yeah.

Emmaleen (00:26:42) - It's hard to put into words, you know, if you don't, if you haven't actually heard me. But yeah. So every, every show is something really kind of new. You know, it's not the same show every single time because it's the same thing every every night. I would get so bored. So, you know, something different every night. Well, sort of, you know, so I'll change the songs quite a bit. It's not. It's never the same. Exact same at all. The exact same thing at all. So, you know, the audience doesn't always know what's going to happen. So I think that kind of thing we hear, it can be a bit difficult for an audience to think.

Brian (00:27:30) - Yeah, it keeps it exciting for them though.

Emmaleen (00:27:32) - You are? I hope so.

Brian (00:27:35) - Out of all the gigs you've played, is Rwanda Sticks in your mind as maybe the most perfect experience you've had?

Emmaleen (00:27:41) - Yeah, I would say so in the last month or so. In September we had, we had a, uh, we had 13 people there, but they were the most amazing audience.

Emmaleen (00:27:56) - And they were really, really, really, really listening on very on a, on a very deep level. And yeah, there was something about the space being very small and, you know, the sound being extremely good and just having 13 people, a very tiny audience and everyone was, was just so lovely. And, and yeah, I think that was incredible, you know. So it sounds like it sounds like it's just like a tiny audience. But to me it was amazing to have that. Um, you know, and that shows where there's obviously more people, but, you know, they don't really know me. So then they like torch. So then they will, you know, like kind of listening, but then they're also not. And that kind of thing can be difficult when you're on stage and you know, you're solo and everyone's that they half or they half not so. Yeah. It's not. You have, like, an audience that's with you. That, to me is amazing, you know?

Brian (00:29:09) - Yeah, yeah.

Brian (00:29:10) - How would you go about then grabbing the audience's attention when it's leaked out, when it's a bigger one and they're kind of talking or whatever?

Emmaleen (00:29:20) - Um. Well, that is very difficult. I think the way I do it to just, you know, to really actually sing from an even deeper place where it's almost like it's almost like I'm going to start crying, like, so intense and so vulnerable, not not showing off and not kind of playing louder. It's not necessarily playing loud. It's just playing more intensely. Then you can feel it. It's not. It's not so much about okay, you know, playing like an intense solo. I mean, I play solos, I can't sing in all these different ways. I can show off if I want to, but that's that's not why I'm doing music. So when it's, you know, so when it's kind of coming from this intense, deep, hard place, it's extremely vulnerable. Then they listen. It's very interesting. It's. It's actually fascinating because people feel it instantly.

Emmaleen (00:30:29) - Then they, they, they like. Oh, okay. And then, and then they just calm down. But it doesn't always happen, which is fine, you know. Yeah.

Brian (00:30:42) - Yeah. And you know, I always say you have to have the good with the bad. So is there a gig experience you've had that maybe wasn't the best and how did you overcome it?

Emmaleen (00:30:53) - Oh my gosh. If I can be honest. So I'm I'm so scared other people are going to listen. Yeah. There has been quite a few shows where I've felt like, you know. Yeah, I'm just actually going to walk that stage like a diva and just throw down my instruments, but do that. Um, yeah, I had this, I don't know, here's. Could that. And he was a serious diva. But he, you know, he did this thing on stage. So now we like playing and everything. And then he starts talking on the phone. And like someone called him and now he's shouting at someone while he's playing.

Emmaleen (00:31:39) - So he's holding the phone in his arm and he's still playing. And it sounds good because he's just amazing. So now I'm going to sing like these intense song. And then, you know, he's talking for on stage. So everything and I don't know, you know, the audience is just not interested and like shouting at me like it's just yeah, that was that was not a great one. But. You are quite intense, you know. But here are the last few shows that have have actually been very, very, very amazing, you know. I've had, you know, I've had like small small businesses, but the actually listening to my lyrics and they actually stay with me. So, you know, if it's like a, you know, tiny audience, it's actually much better for me, even though, you know, there's. Yeah, there's not much money involved. It's actually just feels much better when there's less people, because I know that they actually want to be there. True.

Emmaleen (00:32:51) - If you have an audience that just there and like, they just with their friends, they ought to have a good time. That can be fine, but it's not that kind of music. Yeah, that's all I'll say about the experiences.

Brian (00:33:06) - Right. I have to say, though, you know, being able to play drums while on the phone is a talent in a in itself. There's not many. You know, I feel like not even John Bonham or someone would be able to do that. Yeah, obviously it was amazing. Disrespectful.

Brian (00:33:25) - There you have a.

Brian (00:33:27) - Pre-show, impartial ritual. You know the how do you psych yourself up before you go on stage, and then afterwards, how do you wind down?

Emmaleen (00:33:36) - So that's a big one. Hey, um, there's, like, a lot of things I do actually get myself ready because. You know, because this kind of music is not just songs that I'm just saying a nice song or it's like a heartbreak song, whether it's. It's the kind of music that actually shifts, you know, the energy in a space.

Emmaleen (00:34:03) - So it's not it's not just the songs. It's like a whole kind of healing experience, you know? Um, well, for an audience, I'm not. It's not like an intentional thing, but that's that's what actually, I don't know, it's actually becoming that because in the last few shows, I've had people crying on the floor and like people having like, you know, I don't know, like this deep kind of experience in themselves. And I'm, I'm, you know, I'm realizing that, okay, this is more than just a show where just some nice songs. It's much more than that. So I think to to to get ready, you know, like the whole day on my own. I can't like, interact with a lot of people before I play. Otherwise, I'm just totally overwhelmed. Um. I will. I will do some yoga. I will do some. Lots of things that are quite strange, you know, like with incense and candles and all just kind of stuff into, you know, a sentence that's very.

Emmaleen (00:35:26) - Yeah, that's very focused. And then after show. Yeah I have to actually clean a field, you know like aura quite a lot because other people's ideas and stuff kind of, you know, sort of stuff in my field. And sometimes I feel like I'm not even in my body, which is quite a weird experience. I'm still actually on stage, like, I'm not here now sitting in my house. I'm like a normal person again. So. You have to, you know, have to actually grow myself. Like I have to actually come back here into the earth, not and not be so almost out of it. Sounds really bizarre. I hope you can understand me. Let me get this thing.

Brian (00:36:18) - Get you. It's very interesting. And what the whole people get from your music, you know, the average listener. What do you hope they get from it?

Emmaleen (00:36:30) - I hope that. I can actually feel something in themselves. You know, if it's a if it's a good thing or not a good thing because that stuff is, is it's they're already inside a human.

Emmaleen (00:36:44) - So if you hear a very dark song and you absolutely hate it, it's usually because, you know, there's like a dark thing that's inside of you, that's that's just getting trapped. So, you know, people like it or not. Um, yeah. Don't really want at this stage because I'm, I'm kind of, you know, I know it's not for everyone. It's it's definitely not everyone. And that's okay. Don't do. No don't have to actually take it personally and to, um, you all sort of think about other people all the time. I think it's not very healthy for an artist. I think about the audience, if they care or not think that's like a very. Yeah, that's like a very difficult thing because at the end of the day, you know, if you keep other people happy, like if they, you know, yeah, like they like it one day and then the next day they on to something else or they change their mind. So I think what is just to, you know, if there's one person in the world that can feel something, then.

Emmaleen (00:38:02) - Yeah, she'd done my job. If it's five people, I've also done my job. If it's 20,000 people. I've still done my job. Doesn't really matter about that kind of thing. So think, think as an artist, you know, like you just have to, I don't know, like you just have to make something and like, you just have to offer it to the world and then you. You know, and then you just take the next thing like think to. Always think about an audience. Not it's not healthy, I think. You know, I think just to say. Okay.

Emmaleen (00:38:42) - Here it is.

Emmaleen (00:38:44) - Yeah. Here it is, if you like it or not. That's okay. I'm just going to make the next thing. And like it or not, that's also fine. But souls, that's also nice. But it's. Yeah, it's not something that I can worry about stage of my life, you know? Yeah.

Brian (00:39:03) - I really like that now. I feel like that's something I've never thought of before.

Brian (00:39:07) - And it's almost like if you're worrying about the audience, it'll get you grounded as a musician. You know, you'll stay in place.

Emmaleen (00:39:15) - You're all that's actually interesting.

Brian (00:39:17) - And, you know, when you think of your career, then how would you like it to evolve, say, in five years time?

Emmaleen (00:39:25) - Um, well.

Emmaleen (00:39:26) - I think I know I really. She need to leave. Where? Because I'm in a I'm in a very small, small country, and it's small in a lot of ways. You know, it's not just small as it's a small place. It's small. The mindset. And I feel like I'm in the scene that. It's a very small, so everyone kind of knows everyone, you know. And if you're not in the in the circle then it's that kind of thing can be extremely difficult. So I think if I am actually going to like to do this seriously, and, you know, I'm actually going to leave South Africa and play in somewhere else in the world or everywhere in the world.

Emmaleen (00:40:16) - I don't know how that will evolve or unfold, but I think, you know, I think I have to I don't know, you know, I really have to actually make albums. I just have to keep writing music, I think. That's what I have to focus on and everything else will kind of unfold before me. Can't can't be too sort of right about selling stuff. You know, it would be nice to get a more help because I'm actually doing everything on my own now. I'm actually organizing all my own events. So I think if I could have a bit more help. It was amazing. Like. Yeah, it would be quite cool, you know, to have like, a whole team of people.

Brian (00:41:13) - It's a good one. It's definitely a goal. Yeah. Free up your own time to focus on the music.

Emmaleen (00:41:20) - Yeah, exactly.

Brian (00:41:22) - And before we dive into the last couple of questions. So future plans that are set in stone, any gigs, anything coming up you want to tell us about?

Emmaleen (00:41:31) - Uh, I have a show on Saturday, album launch, which I'm, I'm very excited for.

Emmaleen (00:41:38) - So in a few days and then have I have a few more shows towards the end of the year and then next year, I think I'm not 100% sure yet, but I think I'm going to go on on a small, um, you know, you know, a small little of South Africa maybe. I think that would be amazing. I think y'all y'all really need to do that. So think and then festivals. Yeah. So that's like my next big step I think to try to get into festivals and send my work out and, and do that. And I think in the next two years I think I'm, you know, I'm actually going to try to emigrate, but it's a whole process. So we'll, we'll see when, when, when that, when I, when I get there.

Brian (00:42:33) - Yeah. Well hopefully we'll see you somewhere in Europe within two years or so.

Emmaleen (00:42:38) - Amazing.

Brian (00:42:39) - You're pretty cool. Pretty cool. And we'll dive into the last couple of questions. So these are a couple of fun random music questions.

Brian (00:42:47) - But I'm intrigued to see your answers. So if you could see anyone in concert from history for one night only, who would it be?

Emmaleen (00:42:58) - House.

Emmaleen (00:43:00) - Right? Yeah.

Emmaleen (00:43:01) - Definitely.

Brian (00:43:03) - Like the quickness and the response. And the next one though this is a bit of an odd one. If you had to be locked in a room with any musician from history for 24 hours, who would it be?

Emmaleen (00:43:19) - Oh, that is creepy. Don't think should be locked in a room with anyone.

Emmaleen (00:43:26) - Um.

Emmaleen (00:43:27) - But. I would say Tom was right. But I mean that. Oh, you know, if you think being locked in a room with Tom waits could be very interesting. And.

Emmaleen (00:43:46) - Yeah.

Emmaleen (00:43:48) - It's amazing.

Brian (00:43:49) - Yeah, yeah. Hopefully he'd be in a good mood or it could be a bit dangerous.

Emmaleen (00:43:54) - Yeah. Me?

Brian (00:43:56) - Yeah. And, uh, I have to ask, what would you hope to learn from him in the in those 24 hours?

Emmaleen (00:44:04) - Um, well, I mean, the there'd be so many things that I want to learn from someone like Tom waits, but.

Emmaleen (00:44:12) - Songwriting secrets. Because he's. Here. He's also got, I don't know, you know, a weird way of writing songs. It's like they and then they, like, just come out of nowhere, like he's his own, I don't know, like his own kind of ideas about songwriting, so I think. Yeah, I think that would be very cool. You know. So here how we. Yeah. So how he actually does it secretly, you know.

Emmaleen (00:44:47) - Yeah.

Brian (00:44:48) - Yeah, that would be terribly epic. And the final one. So now this is almost impossible, but we'll see if he can give it a go. What song would appear on the soundtrack to your life?

Emmaleen (00:45:02) - I love that question. It's just. Yeah. Just with. My life is always changing. I would say that very old, old song. This little.

Emmaleen (00:45:15) - Man.

Emmaleen (00:45:17) - I'll let it shine. You know.

Emmaleen (00:45:19) - That. Yes, yes.

Emmaleen (00:45:21) - That's it. It's a song for children, I think. Yeah, I would, I would, I would play that song because.

Emmaleen (00:45:32) - Yeah. So that's how I feel now. Like, you know, I have this talent inside of me. All I have to do is is. You know, you're sure it was the world. And I love that song as well. Know when I'm feeling very, very sad or I'm feeling like I just want to give on, on, on stuff. I just sing that to myself to kind of comfort myself first and helps.

Emmaleen (00:46:03) - That's right.

Brian (00:46:03) - Has to be that one. So listen, Emmeline, I've really enjoyed chatting with you. No, over the last bit. Thanks a million.

Emmaleen (00:46:11) - So much, Brian. Thank you.